Too much knowledge

7 Mar 2020
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I heard a news item about people being 'deprived' of new technology (G5, latest, woss that? Thought it was what happened when you were shot into space).

It appears fastest way 'stuff' moves around, and there are poor folk who cannot get a choice of 130 films on their phone. Films, on a phone? How can you watch a chariot race on a phone? Apparently these people are seriously deprived.

This is not a 'rant' piece, but that too much technology is actually spoiling my one time unsophisticated enjoyment of films and books.

I must admit to the marvels of Amazon. I never watched 'Call the Midwife'. Now addicted, because the era was when my children were born and the area where many of my rellies lived before both world wars. So, bend my credit card again with earlier series on Amazon, and 'Who do you think you are?' (always presuming I can find my password).

I am totally fazed by Podcasts, BBC sounds, the Red Button, Netflix, Streaming. People talk about 'spoiler alert' because it appears you can almost watch something hot from its birth, before it is issued to the hoi polloi.

The access to a world of encyclopaedic knowledge via wikipaedia etc is what is spoiling much of my enjoyment in a weird way. This is allied to my insatiable curiosity, and tying events together which are generations apart. I had to do a broadcast on local radio last week on Brexit. A stiff challenge. A week steeped in French, reading, listening, pronouncing, history of EEC (all in French).

Also that week were harrowing broadcasts of the 75th anniversary of the holocaust. I was nine when Belsen was liberated. My father was in the Royal Marines, and my Mum kept all newspapers away from me, but she did not hide the pictures of Belsen quick enough. That horror has lasted all my life.

A neighbour, very erudite, very right wing, lent me a book on London, written by a French diplomat. The book is fascinating; his vocabulary enormous. He was very unflattering about the Jews. I HAD to 'Google' him. He was an extreme anti-Semite, collaborated with Vichy during the war, and de Gaulle tried to stop his admittance to the Academie Francaise (akin to our Royal Society). I nearly stopped reading the book because the author seemed rather nasty, and very superior. But I would have missed an excellent book. Then I got a film out of the library, excellent, loads of Oscars. Then I saw in the credits 'Harvey Weinstein' and thought 'I am not going to watch a film directed by that awful man'. How stupid can you get? The film was the thing that mattered; his personal deeds are external to that.

I remember being furious when the actor Nigel Hawthorne 'came out'. Not that I am homophobic, but furious that this poor man had to 'come clean' about his private life (not illegal, either) or be badgered into a nervous breakdown. Can you keep truth and fiction apart?

The Gardener

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Molly

March 7, 2020, 1:20 a.m.

Hi Gardener I’m a bit baffled by a lot of your blog here, as I’m not on the same level of intelligence. So I will pick at the bits I can relate to, such as modern technology, I sometimes think you are ahead of some of us! Losing my internet connection recently and having to use my phone instead was a nightmare for me. Watching a film on a phone, no thanks! Although phones are getting bigger by the day, so they might be bigger than your TV soon. As long as you have a very very big pocket. It’s very hard to keep up with it all. As for gays ‘coming out’, I felt the same recently when Philip Schofield came out. There was something saying to me, why did he feel he had to do that, it’s nobody else’s business. Perhaps I’m missing the point, but it seemed such a huge thing via the media, and I couldn’t really get why. Maybe when you are in the public eye you have no choice. Someone else will spill the beans before you do. But seriously, who cares, who should care? It’s private. Your last question has got me, I will leave it to the experts on here! Thanks for the blog. Molly xx

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The Gardener

March 7, 2020, 10 a.m.

Molly, thanks for reply, 'Keeping up?' I do find, I hope, that I get a better balance of news juggling between two countries views. I am glad you agree about the 'coming out', getting ludicrous.x

Molly

March 7, 2020, 2:14 p.m.

I’m sure you do Gardener, I was referring to modern technology. It’s impressive that you did the radio interview in French, especially on a subject as complex as Brexit xx

Bearofliddlebrain

March 7, 2020, 7:03 p.m.

Hi TG and Molly, apparently the reason Philip Schofield 'came out' was because the man with whom he’s been having a relationship, was going to publicise it. So the chap had no scruples. I’m not worried about someone being gay...but I do feel for the family that has to ‘stick by' the one 'outed'. It just sells newspapers! Sad, really. Bear x

Molly

March 7, 2020, 7:52 p.m.

Bear, ‘apparently’ is the key word here, as we don’t know what really happened. Also, it was the family’s choice to stick by him. I have a friend who came out after many years of marriage, and his wife didn’t stick by him. Although again, what happens behind closed doors, who knows! The papers make their own minds up usually by a snippet of information. Molly xx

Dido

March 7, 2020, 6:42 a.m.

Hi Gardner, What a lot of thoughts in the garden today! I agree with Molly no one should have to declare their preferences. Truth and fiction hmmmm Recently i have looked over my life at the times when other folks 'truths' turned my life into fiction. Having a mental illness I tend to have friends who suffer in variuos ways. If they hit psychosis it can really affect the way I see the world. I have found myself being drawn in to their reality which on looking back was far removed from my own and has caused me to regret my behaviours then. Now adays I don't get so quickly sucked in. I notice how I get into the world of tv and film, wanting it to be real, wanting to stay there in the fiction. Did you know that we could stand together looking at a rainbow, but it would not be the same rainbow? I could not stand in your position and observe through your eyes or decode with your brain the rainbow you see , nor you mine. Maybe it's like that with truth. Yours in deep philosophical mood, Dido x PS it doesn't stop me sharing the beauty of the rainbow

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The Gardener

March 7, 2020, 10:02 a.m.

Dido, a propos of your lovely 'rainbow' image, I forget (it might have been something to do about unreliable witnesses) who said that no two people will see the most mundane thing in the same way.

Leila

March 7, 2020, 12:09 p.m.

I always always thing about this when people describe colours. We must all see them differently x

Bearofliddlebrain

March 7, 2020, 7:07 p.m.

....we also 'see' what has happened to us in differing ways, even if we’ve all been at the same events in our lives... i.e.growing up in a family where my view of the life events is slightly different to that of my siblings! Bear x

Sally

March 7, 2020, 10:29 p.m.

Bear, that’s very true what you say about siblings seeing life events in slightly different ways. My brother states he cannot remember anything much of his childhood. Eradicated. My sister on the other hand has nothing but derision for our upbringing and sees herself as a victim of circumstances and deprived. I lie somewhere in between . Whilst acknowledging that our family (parents) was short on psychological insight , and put us kids though much pain, I think they bumbled through as best they could . At that time, women were in any case so much more subjugated to their husbands. My mother very much the child bride , trophy wife and in fear of our father . Who had angry outbursts and terrified the living daylights out of all of us. Including my mother!

Just Me

March 7, 2020, 6:42 a.m.

I agree with you, Gardener, about the extent of one's private life that those in the public eye juggle. I am glad for investigations that uncover unseemly behavior (call me a dreamer, but I prefer that my public officials are free of criminal wrongdoing). But I also feel badly for the "inquisitions" that accompany the election of our politicians and the hounding of celebrities by paparazzi. There must be some harmonious middle ground. People deserve to live their lives - at least part of it - in privacy. Perhaps we see more stories of folks "coming out", not only regarding their sexuality but issues like mental health, because those who share this news hope that in doing so they are helping erase stigma associated with it. Good intentions, but I share little in common with those who've announced their diagnosis of bipolar disorder. Their peers and fans are far more accepting of such diagnoses than my own peers. Stigma has reared its ugly head in my world both at work and in my own family. I don't fault those in public for sharing their mental health stories - maybe listeners will connect with their stories and seek treatment. And yes, Gardener, we do have an information overload! While having the trove of information at our fingertips can be a real blessing, it can also be a real waste of time. I live 35 minutes from the nearest library, so my computer has become of sort of library. I've learned how to sift through the resources to find the most reliable and know to stop after I have what I need. When I first learned to use the internet, I was amazed at how one source would lead to another! Pinterest is an excellent idea of an endless series of doors leading to more and more information. Too much computer time, however, keeps us from establishing or maintaining face to face relationships. And, for me, it's these relationships that nurture my soul. My friends give me hugs, share tea and conversation. We help each other out in innumerable ways - we helped our pastor recover his auto garage after a flood, my church family moved me to this home - after a group of women had spent a day cleaning it. We help each other harvest and process food from our gardens. We sing a capella at funerals, and not always those of our own church members. Lest anyone reading this think I always maintain a healthy relationship with my computer, I must confess that the last month or so, I've spent far more time with it than usual. I've been very depressed and also afraid to leave my home. Medications have been to blame - I've gone through three different ones since November and each has had rather adverse side effects. So my computer has been an eye to the world, a way of communication with my family, and a means of numbing my fear. I've ordered some gifts for family and friends which has been a real blessing. The closest mall is almost two hours away and I'm still unable to handle a visit to a large store, much less a mall! I live alone and have had guests visit a few times, but visitors have been exhausting. I expect this to improve as the residual effects of the last medicine leave my system. I look forward to getting back to normal, returning to church, to inviting friends over for meals. When the fog lifts, I'm anticipating handwriting notes and cards - for some reason, it's easier to write using the computer then with a pen just yet. Apart from the computer, I'm pretty untouched by technology. I don't have television so I don't contend with all the choices of cable TV. I don't have a radio or even cell phone - the mountains here interfere with transmission. I can use my computer for CD's or I'll go to a playlist on You Tube. But I lack speakers so the audio is confined to one part of my home. I do understand there are wireless speakers, though, so I intend to look into those soon. I've never cared for microwave ovens, so I have a small regular oven on my counter, perfect for my needs and smaller than my full-sized oven. I don't have a Keurig machine but I do have a smaller Mr. Coffee, a step up from the stovetop percolator I used for years. No Instant Pot cooks meals in my kitchen - I am quite happy with the Crock Pot my children bought me for Christmas years ago. My KItchenaid mixer is still going at 42, though it could use some maintenance. Folks here are equally frugal, so I feel right at home.

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Dido

March 7, 2020, 6:49 a.m.

yep JM, me too. No electric kettle just the hob. TV away for the Spring, the garden and world is is calling. I have to be careful of the laptop, it is a great sucker-in-er. Keep things as simple as possible, and real books! Always real books in my hand , page turning wonderful scented books!

The Gardener

March 7, 2020, 10:05 a.m.

JM, good luck with getting back to 'normal' . Without the internet, I would never have survived the five years with my husband's Alzheimer. I could 'shout and scream' via the written word, and keep a semblance of sanity.

Bearofliddlebrain

March 7, 2020, 7:09 p.m.

Wow, tv away for the spring! Cool!

Orangeblossom

March 7, 2020, 7:32 a.m.

Thanks for the blog TG. It is sometimes difficult to separate truth from fiction. With the proliferation of streaming and other media choices, I believe we are spoilt for choice. Young people certainly are. My OH & I have recently started watching Last Tango in Halifax which we thoroughly enjoy, & our son puts up with. II am delighted to hear of the successful broadcast of the programme about Brexit in French. We all need stimulation & a sense of achievement.

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The Gardener

March 7, 2020, 10:07 a.m.

OB, watched one episode - a very different role for Derek Jacobi. I was not struck but the programme, except that his wife was somebody one could love to hate. I think the Brexit programme has opened an interesting door.

Leila

March 7, 2020, 9:29 a.m.

As Molly said, I don’t really understand some of your references here, and am in awe of the ability to not only speak French but to understand it to the level that you can give a talk to that level in French. However I understand the technology thing. I can see that people must think I am some sort of dinosaur. I have a TV and also a radio but when I am feeling overload I cannot listen to them or watch. People often say “just have it on for company” and I feel like saying, I don’t need the company there is too much noise already in my mind. It won’t dull or quiet at all. It’s constant hum dawn to dusk and longer. Technology has been baffling recently as well as I have been applying for universal credit, and I could prove my identity online via a post office app. It made me terrified. It also reminded me that I do exist. I spend a lot of time questioning my own existence at the moment. Like really not believing that I am here at all. And I am if I pinch myself it hurts but all the pieces of paper that make me real are scattered on my kitchen table. And I exist in technology but if I try to feel like I exist that doesn’t work. I am not a criminal but I feel like one I have made myself so invisible. Anyhow I think I am being wierd, am just feeling some wierd feelings at the moment. Wishing you all a good Saturday. Take care

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The Gardener

March 7, 2020, 10:09 a.m.

Leila, thanks - people who say 'have the radio, TV' on for company. Lots people have it on all day, it is an intrusion. I must say a good music programme with SUDOKO or knitting very relaxing.

Leila

March 7, 2020, 12:13 p.m.

I have zero concentration for much so I find neither very accessible. I have been trying and trying to read. One page and I have to start at the top again. So frustrating x

Jul

March 7, 2020, 9:45 a.m.

Hello Gardener. I agree, it's difficult to decide what's right and what's wrong with social media bombarding us with different and many points of view on every subject. There's this one hot topic over here at the moment about free speech in Universities. I've just been listening to 2 opinions about disinviting certain women to speak at conferences on Womens International Day at Oxford and other debates where the speaker is seen as transphobic, hotly denied by the speaker. Whatever one thinks of this, there are thousands of other opinions out there which can make you reconsider what you first think. For me, social media can make me doubt myself and how I think. I am open to challenges and controversial thinking but I find increasingly reluctant to actually stand up for what I think and put my head above the parapet. You did so well Gardener to appear on French TV talking in French about Brexit. And thank you for this blog. I'm going to read it again in case I have missed anything. Jul xx

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The Gardener

March 7, 2020, 10:12 a.m.

Jul, I think you have got the 'message' of my blog completely. Universities in particular must be open to all. Your remarks about the Oxford thing are that soon nobody will pass the 'hurdles' in order to speak about their expertise.xx

Jul

March 7, 2020, 10:43 a.m.

Thank you Gardener. You're a gem. Jul xx

The Gardener

March 7, 2020, 9:57 a.m.

Sorry if I have sown a bit of confusion here. The 'nub' of the blog is that reading a book, watching a film, from decades ago, I now, with the power of Google, look up the biog of author or director. Watched 'Annie Hall' last night, did not like it. Woody Allen in news today, book pulped. I've never read Kingsley Amis, started a book, my taste in cynicism. I will NOT google the author, I shall stick to enjoying the book, purpose of writing it after all. In the 'Good Old Days' (ha ha) author would have done book signings then gone back to his/her private life, no social media. Enjoy the week-end. xx

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Jul

March 7, 2020, 10:48 a.m.

It's a very topical discussion these days, whether we should boycott films and books written by disgraced authors and filmed by disgraced directors whether allegations have been proved or not. Woody Allen a case in point. Keep well Gardener. And thanks Jul xx

Molly

March 7, 2020, 5 p.m.

Your subject heading says alot, which I think I missed. I find myself googling people all of the time. I see someone on TV and decide to google them. I must have too much time on my hands. Things I don’t care about, like “oh I wonder if she is married” let’s have a look! Then we tend to believe everything we read, good or bad. I look up our consultants before a visit. One bad review and I’ve judged before I even get there. I get where you are coming from now (possibly) Molly xx

The Gardener

March 7, 2020, 6:19 p.m.

Molly, what you have said - part boredom, but because Google is 'there' it can become an addiction. A few years ago I acquired a 'dream', shelves of encyclopedia, they look very impressive, never touched. xx

Molly

March 7, 2020, 11:40 p.m.

Gardener, my husband treasures his encyclopaedia. He hasn’t quite got the hang of google yet lol. But yes it can be addictive. Molly xx

Valerie

March 7, 2020, 11:02 a.m.

Hi TG, There are some aspects of technology that seem so useless-like watching a film on a mobile-why? Spock's phone contract is due for renewal and he had a 20 minute call from Virgin last night,trying to persuade him to upgrade.The chap could not get the message,that he uses hardly any of the features of his current phone,so a new one is pointless. My washing machine,microwave dishwasher and tumble dryer are all on the same settings. I have to say though that I don't know what we did before Netflix,and I love shopping on Amazon.If we started refusing to read a book or watch a film because of the behaviour of people involved,we would have little to entertain us. I must ask TG,have your adopted countrymen gone stark staring mad over Coronavirus? There is not a loo roll or bottle of handwash left on the shelves in my town.Spock does some work for the company that brews Corona Mexican beer.They have sent a memo,only use the term Covid whatever.Sales of the brand have fallen in the USA,and 35% of a survey think you can catch the bug from drinking the beer. Anyone here remember Corona fizzy pop? I used to drink so much of it I think I will have immunity. ***

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The Gardener

March 7, 2020, 11:17 a.m.

Hello Valerie - masks disappeared from chemists here days after virus announced. The toilet roll 'thing' I think is because they are much cheaper and more easily disposed of than tissues.xx

The Gardener

March 7, 2020, 11:21 a.m.

Thinking you can get the virus from same name beer seriously nutty. But the need to sell 'new' technology, and people's need for 'street cred' leads to brain-washing to buy what you don't need (and seldom works).

Molly

March 7, 2020, 2:29 p.m.

Val, those ****** phone companies. They talk in a different language. A bit like doctors or medical staff. They assume that their area of knowledge is known to everyone else. My husband still has a cheap pay as you go phone which he rarely uses. He struggles even sending a text so I usually do it for him. Having got used to a smart phone, I struggle to do it too. But like Spock, I haven’t discovered half of what’s on it and have no desire to upgrade it. I practically buy everything from Amazon but I don’t have Netflix. I have noticed there is less and less on TV these days, even with extra channels, it’s repeat after repeat. Saying that Sky Sports takes over in this house! Molly xx

Molly

March 7, 2020, 2:36 p.m.

Lol about the Corona beer, that’s just crazy! I have started saving newspapers in case we run out of toilet rolls. Ha ha, not really xx

Oli

March 7, 2020, 11:54 a.m.

Once you know something you can’t un-know it. The new knowledge immediately associates and relates itself with other knowledge in your head. By the way, I believe this is essentially what your “mind” is. Those associations are uniquely yours and the feelings the relationships evoked can be um… interesting. Every once in a while at a gig someone asks me to play a song and I say no. The song was written by a paedophile and I’m not comfortable with the association. However, the debate about separating art from the artist; creation from the producer, is an old one. Where you stand on it will, I think, depend on the unique way you do the relating I mentioned above. Thanks for the blog Gardener :-)

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Leila

March 7, 2020, 12:22 p.m.

I agree with your post Oli. I recently had a very difficult uncovering when an old school friend who had come round to my flat a few times over the previous year - we had reconnected since I came back to Kendal. I knew he was having “a difficult time” but I just assumed it was like mine, maybe some bumps in the road. Perhaps a depression? I didn’t know. It turned out some time in Autumn that the reason was clear and he was jailed for paedophilia. I had a sense of huge and sudden guilt as though I should have know. I should have been able to tell that he was a bad person. And that I had had compassion for his hard time when this was the cause. It increased my anxiety about ten fold. So much. A bad judge of character. A stupid mistake? Leila

Leila

March 7, 2020, 12:22 p.m.

I agree with your post Oli. I recently had a very difficult uncovering when an old school friend who had come round to my flat a few times over the previous year - we had reconnected since I came back to Kendal. I knew he was having “a difficult time” but I just assumed it was like mine, maybe some bumps in the road. Perhaps a depression? I didn’t know. It turned out some time in Autumn that the reason was clear and he was jailed for paedophilia. I had a sense of huge and sudden guilt as though I should have know. I should have been able to tell that he was a bad person. And that I had had compassion for his hard time when this was the cause. It increased my anxiety about ten fold. So much. A bad judge of character. A stupid mistake? Leila

Leila

March 7, 2020, 12:22 p.m.

Sorry a double reply ????

The Gardener

March 7, 2020, 12:27 p.m.

Leila, I don't think a stupid mistake at all. Over the whole sorry business, the fact that perpetrators have not been found for years says how plausible, charming, convincing they are - you'd never think badly of them. Cont

Leila

March 7, 2020, 12:28 p.m.

Having had many difficulties in the past with traumatic events, all I can think is someone it was my fault and I should have been more vigilant or aware? And it triggered problems of the past.

The Gardener

March 7, 2020, 12:29 p.m.

You can't feel guilt, even if you had bad 'vibes', who would have believed you? Much now is put down to personal grudge, spite. And having been compassionate, you feel you have 'egg on your face'.

The Gardener

March 7, 2020, 12:38 p.m.

Oli, your first sentence really hits the nail on the head. From now I shall read the book, watch the film, only afterwards if curiosity too strong I will find out about the author, director. Enjoy their art first.:)

Leila

March 7, 2020, 12:50 p.m.

Yep this is certainly the case. A feeling that I ought to have known or been able to see I think x

Oli

March 7, 2020, 1:05 p.m.

@Leila, about 25 years ago I turned up at the clinic where I was working to find the police going through everything. My boss was under suspicion. My boss explained, a few hours later that it was all a mistake. I thought it sounded plausible but wisely discussed it with someone next day and his advice was, "Get out! Mud sticks and you don't want to be there." I resigned immediately after that. Just as well because the boss was convicted and sentenced for paedophilia. I had *no idea*. Literally none, because he was such a nice guy -- and of course he was. A year or so after that the police gave a talk on the subject at my sons' school. After the presentation I chatted privately to one of the police and told her about the boss, and not knowing. (1) I chose a private chat because you would not believe the judgement of other parents who would blame you for not being able to detect someone. (2) The officer listened and confirmed everything: as per the presentation, do not look for a "monster"; you need to be looking for totally different behaviour. Leila, if it's any comfort you can really let go of any guilt about not spotting your old school friend. That was the whole point of the police presentation. I guess you, like me, now know how difficult it is to see when you don't know what you're looking for. With hindsight it's clear. And of course now we both have experience which will raise our index of suspicion if we ever notice certain behaviour again. x

Leila

March 7, 2020, 1:36 p.m.

Yep, I guess so. It made me question myself because I had let him into my flat. My supposed safe space. Thank you for sharing. I makes me realise that plenty of us have probably been in similar situations.

Molly

March 7, 2020, 2:45 p.m.

Lelia, how could you have known? It must have been a shock for you, but it’s in no way your fault. They don’t come with a label on them. A lot of people we meet have hidden secrets. At the end of the day, we don’t know anyone really! Molly xx

Valerie

March 7, 2020, 4:45 p.m.

All the above are right Leila.The whole point of these people is that -like conmen-they have to be likeable and friendly.If they were obnoxious, no one would let them get close enough to do harm. Spock deals with a company that has some prickly difficult people.One man,who was in a high position of trust and power,was the exception,lovely and helpful.He suddenly disappeared,having worked there for 15 years.Massive sums of money embezzled. Years ago there was a horrible child murder in my area,and a neighbour was pulled in for routine questioning,or so he said.He was very well liked,a jovial character.Years later.after I moved, I learnt that the reason was that he had a record of child molesting. Look at Rolf Harris,no one ever had a bad word to say about him previously.Don't blame yourself a minute longer.xx

Molly

March 7, 2020, 5:07 p.m.

Jake the Peg with the extra Leg should have told us all but we just sung along to it xx

Valerie

March 7, 2020, 9:35 p.m.

Ha! Ha! ***

Sally

March 7, 2020, 10:56 p.m.

Leila, adding to what people have said, many years ago, my OH and I were flabbergasted to discover that the person we’d been talking to and sat next to (at Year 6 Leavers Assembly for our 10 year daughter) was to turn out to be a paedophile. Years of abusing his position in a boys’ club. And to think we’d let our young daughter stay ( an overnighter ) at the home of this man! Chilled us a bit.. because we hadn’t a CLUE. Paedophiles do not typically have fangs, leer suggestively at children under 10, or act any differently in a public setting to other ( non paedophiles). Many are charming,kind-seeming and therefore slip under the radar ! This man got a 9 year prison sentence in solitary ! We were shocked and horrified, and felt “ How did we not see signs?”. I suppose because no one is 100% evil or displays immoral behaviour all the time. Witness fiction author and judge John Mortimer ‘s declaration that “ Some of my best friends are murderers “. He’s trying to say that most of the time, they might come across as perfectly likeable, rational human beings, not murderers 100% of the time , then..

Molly

March 7, 2020, 11:59 p.m.

There was a man who was a volunteer that I worked with. He came in one day and said he had been accused of rape. My instant reaction was that this must be a terrible mistake. I felt awful for him and supported him. He was found guilty and sent to prison. I was still unsure whether to believe it and whether the verdict was correct. Looking back I may have been a bit naive. Maybe I just didn’t want to believe it.

The Gardener

March 7, 2020, 12:35 p.m.

Valerie, interesting point on 'boycotting' books or films by people who have been proven years later to be 'nasty'. Only the law can hurt them. 'Boycotting' may lower their royalties a little, but only until another target arrives. They will be paid for book, TV, film rights, guest appearances, own TV show! Piers Morgan case in point, to me, seriously 'bad hat' and look at him now! (if you can bear to).

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The Gardener

March 7, 2020, 6:26 p.m.

Fascinating response, thank you all. Humans are a seriously gullible lot, but becoming a hermit is no answer, we need to communicate, and, yes, modern methods are miraculous. My m-in-law was a snob, she only watched 'good' TV. To her, Panorama was Gospel. I used to say (or try to say) that she ought to take a wider view, that Panorama COULD be wrong, and, like many like programmes, guilty of bigotry and bias. My mum had a big grey enemy, 'THEY' yet she believed anything the papers said.

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Molly

March 7, 2020, 6:40 p.m.

Oh gosh Gardener, my mum does this, “they say”. I’m cruel, because I ask who ‘they’ are and she doesn’t know what to say. She has just read it in the paper. Makes me mad because as much as I tell her, she still doesn’t get it! I recently stopped drinking milk as I thought I might have an intolerance to it, and she just said what a great shame it was, because milk is so good for you. Arghhhh xx

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