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The Loss of Ancient wisdom. Thursday February 26, 2015

In ancient Rome, before 'busyness' took over, when there was a key question for the community, everyone who had an interest met in the 'agora' (the marketplace).

The reason for this is that they would then dialogue ('through words') offering all points of view until they would communally agree what action the city would take.

Everyone was equal – everyone could speak and everyone had to agree.

So decisions were powerful agreements – bonds - on these key issues.

This 'process' worked well for many decades, until businesses started to become too 'busy' to have time to both speak and listen and decide.

The 'busyness' (IQ, through power, influence, right/wrong world) then took over.

Rich business people then decided that they did not have the time to go and 'dialogue' as it interfered with their earnings and they would then hire a representative to go and state their side of the story! So, no matter what anyone else said, the representative's job was to achieve the outcome on this subject that their 'owner' wanted.

This is when dialogue became debate.

This meant people were pitted against, or opposed to, each other and also when the community lost its unified, strong and coherent voice.

Unfortunately today, in my view, we see the worst example of this when the two political leaders attempt to undermine each other at Prime Ministers question time - such behaviour would not be allowed in a primary school!

I raise this, following last week's blog by asking do you feel totally listened to and understood when you visit your GP, or psychiatrist, or psychologist, or therapist? Or do you find yourself in some form of debate?

If it is the former, your chance of 'healing' is much higher as what you will have done is to build the No 1 part of your 'healing' human trust. If you have trust between two people, it is their hearts that align first and then with authenticity 'we' can find an answer. Two become one and in ancient Rome, hundreds became one!

And sometimes for your own heart and head to act as one is difficult enough never mind two or more people! Trust is the one things that changes everything - even your health.

Who can you build a more trusting relationship with today (even yourself) to become more balanced and more healthy and who do you need to have a dialogue with and get back to building coherence not competition?

A Moodscope member.

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Michael wx Thu, Feb 26th 2015 @ 6:51am

Les, are you sneaking in a bit of your anti-IQ thing yet again? Can I just say that having a good IQ and being a nice person are not mutually exclusive. Maybe you can share what has caused your attitude towards high IQ because it certainly comes across in some of your posts, and it could be beneficial to explore the issue and achieve that balance you mention.

Paul Arvidson Thu, Feb 26th 2015 @ 7:09am

I think that's really interesting. This society is definitely in need of a re-balance.

Fiona Thu, Feb 26th 2015 @ 8:33am

I do believe we all need to listen better, however I am not sure what IQ has to do with this. Could you explain?

Julia Thu, Feb 26th 2015 @ 8:58am

Hi Les. You have made me think about trust and my G P and his listening skills. In personal relationships, loyalty is very important. Another thought provoking and heartfelt blog Les. Thank you.

Anonymous Thu, Feb 26th 2015 @ 10:11am

You have raised some great points here, Les. One that stands out for me is that a community loses its strong, coherent many of us through apathy, tiredness, busyness or just simply can't be bothered to go to parish council meetings or local meetings with the police...they are trying to do the right thing, but often I'm sure many of us would feel we wcan not be listened to or don't feel 'clever enough' to contribute? I do feel that we have lost trust in the large organisations and governments so we don't feel our voices matter. Maybe that's part of the IQ...we are often belittled by people who think they are cleverer than us, so we step back and let them get on with it??! Karen (bear of little brain :-/ )

Anonymous Thu, Feb 26th 2015 @ 10:14am

Ps....'agora'. In Welsh 'agor' is 'to open' place was an 'open-air' place!
There, maybe I have a little bit more brain than I thought!
Karen :)

Anonymous Thu, Feb 26th 2015 @ 11:22am

I am with you Les on busyness. Saying how 'busy' someone is does not express their interest or concern in the person they are talking to - a good old fashioned politeness. Maybe it even conveys their lack of ability to listen and observe that person. What happened to work, rest and play?

Les Fri, Feb 27th 2015 @ 12:28am


I may come across as anti IQ.........which is not meant.

It is simply that what I am clear about (I hope) is that IQ comes after EQ.

At present we place objective IQ before subjective EQ.......and for me, that is very wrong.

We don't have educational (Latin Educare - 'to lead out of') facilities - we predominately have schooling facilities (Greek Schole - 'to put into')

And thus societies hierarchy is IQ based

The first western schools were created in 1902 in France and Alfred Binet invented the first IQ test to ensure the 'idiots' didn't get in - it was (and still is) a negative test!!!

Over 40% of Scottish children are told they are failures before they are 14! And we wonder why they seek solace elsewhere......maybe even the Syrian 3?

We are measured and schools and universities are measured on their IQ and receive monies on that basis......i.e their narrow cognitive intelligence - ability to memories facts and solve puzzles.

The first universities were set up to create good citizens.....not IQ machines and money earning courses.

"If then a practical end must be assigned to a university course, I say it is that of training good members of society. It is the art of social life, and its end is fitness for the world........... It is an education which gives a man a clear conscious view of his own opinions and judgements, a truth in developing them, an eloquence in expressing them, and a force in urging them. It teaches him to see things as they are, to go right to the point, to disentangle a skein of thought, to detect what is sophistical, and to discard what is irrelevant. It prepares him to fill any post with credit, and to master any subject with facility. It shows him how to accommodate himself to others, how to throw himself into their state of mind, how to bring before them his own, how to bear with them."
Cardinal John Henry Newman 'The Idea of a University' 1852

For sure they are NOT mutually exclusive at all...nice and high IQ.

However.....the focus is head..........and we wonder why people 'lose heart'?

Character B 4 Competence.....which is how we used to do business.....we trusted the person...........they had a skill.........and we trusted the person....we felt safe to buy.

Now ..................???

How could I possibly attempt to 'sneak' any such thing in??!! :-)

Many of the cleverest people are in government............the second least trusted 'profession'.........

We also only listen to those we trust..........and feign listening to others....and disrespect not offering your truth our feelings (EQ) are far more important than our thoughts (IQ). Yet the IQ world places facts waaayyyyyyy before feelings.....position B 4 B 4 morals.

So for sure it is 'both and'...quantum and EQ.....dialogue.......hardly never 'either or' Newtonian and IQ...debate.

If you want to pursue further....drop Caroline an email.....and I'll send you some 'stuff'.

Les Fri, Feb 27th 2015 @ 12:36am

Hi Fiona

To 'want to' listen we have to be open to what people are saying and most of all trust them....all EQ stuff.

So people could be telling us 100% true IQ facts.....but if we do not trsut them for whatever reason......gender, colour, clothes, accent, previous impressions etc......we may not even listen to them.

The level of listening is exactly the same as the level of trust.

Again - EQ B 4 IQ...........

50% trust = 50% listening..............and it may be the 'wrong' 50%.....?

IQ is great for remembering facts.......but if it is only facts you listen to.....Hitler would be telling his an extreme example. Was he right? Would you trust him?

Humans are far more than a computer..........memorising information is not the key (IQ) - it is how we interpret it (EQ).

Also I am not good at memorising facts and numbers and lower IQ.....does that make me less worthy in society?

I hope that offers some thoughts?

Les Fri, Feb 27th 2015 @ 12:40am

Hi A

Thanks for that........

Think of your own body as the most advanced 'community' on the planet.

What happens if your heart won't 'speak' to your brain?


Why do we think we can run organisations or communities in a silo driven, narrow expert, short term, hierarchical, Newtonian, disconnected way?

What are we learning for nature - everything IS connected?

IQ is a narrow intelligence which our whole society is almost based on....the very opposite of nature.

FAB 'agor'.........see..........FAR more brain than you thought ;-)

Les Fri, Feb 27th 2015 @ 12:41am

Hi A


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