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Harry - Thank you! Tuesday April 18, 2017

I think we need to give some attention to this.

Prince Harry decided to give an insight into his past problems dealing with the death of his mother, in the hope it will encourage people to break the stigma surrounding mental health issues.

He did a great interview with Bryony Gordon who has suffered with bulimia and OCD. You may have seen it but if not: https://bryonysmadworld.telegraph.co.uk/e/mad-world-prince-harry

It's brilliant he has talked about his issues because it's just elevated mental health problems by a million miles!

I do wish we had a royal advocate to bring some attention to the good Moodscope has done over the last 10 years, but we don't. So we must support everyone who does bring mental health problems to the fore.

Bryony Gordon is running the Virgin London Marathon run in aid of the Heads Together campaign - spearheaded by Prince William, The Duchess of Cambridge and Prince Harry.

Perhaps you could sponsor her: http://bit.ly/2nWIa61

Thank you.

In the meantime, I'd be really interested in what you thought of Harry's interview?.

Caroline
The Moodscope Team

Thoughts on the above? Please feel free to post a comment below.


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Christine Tue, Apr 18th 2017 @ 7:19am

Yes it's great that a member of the royal family, with such a high profile, is talking about mental health issues and how they were affected by them BUT I think he is a good example of how not to handle things, as we should all be dealing with our feelings, problems at the time not 20 years later, help should be sought, I know it isn't always possible, at the time and not left to fester, and then create problems later. this is just my opinion, thanks have a good day all

Caroline Ashcroft Moodscope Tue, Apr 18th 2017 @ 11:09am

Hi Christine, I think if it had happened now he probably would have been offered immediate help and also felt more able to talk about it. Caroline

Anne Tue, Apr 18th 2017 @ 7:28am

Thanks for your blog Caroline - I was delighted to read and then hear what Harry said, particularly as DSM has medicalised bereavement (DON'T get me started on that!) and I think his experience will highlight just how much mental health is a part of everyone's life, not just the 'mad, bad or sad'.

I promote Moodscope through my work to clients, students and anyone who is open to look at themselves. What's not to like - GREAT blogs, useful graph's, self assessment and a community where we aren't stigmatised... NOT to mention constant learning and tips/encouragement.

Thanks for prompting me to respond to your blog and question about Harry's share... maybe I have more to say than I give myself credit for.

Have a good day x

Caroline Ashcroft Moodscope Tue, Apr 18th 2017 @ 10:59am

Hi Anne, thanks for your response and thank you for promoting Moodscope through you work. Caroline

Leah Tue, Apr 18th 2017 @ 7:37am

Caroline,
I think the reason Harry has been open and honest is to show us how he handled things for many years and how it didn't help him.
He was 12 when his mother- one of the most famous women in the world died, and he coped as best he could.
Being in the public eye as part of the Royal family must be so difficult. I am not sure Harry or his brother received any grief counselling until he asked for it 20 years later.

I think it is wonderful for famous people to appear vulnerable by sharing their stories. However I feel we need a balance of the well known and the lesser known people to keep the conversation going about mental health.

Well done Harry.

Caroline Ashcroft Moodscope Tue, Apr 18th 2017 @ 11:16am

Hi Leah, I agree, but unfortunately the lesser known people don't get the publicity! Caroline

the room above the garage Tue, Apr 18th 2017 @ 8:21am

https://twitter.com/ladygaga/status/854219951741128704

I hope the link works...I think the campaign has (or will have) many branches. Today Lady Gaga and Prince William combine beautifully to put their heads together. They're talking of an October meet up which suggests this campaign is a long haul. Can't be more proud of our young royals for tackling one of the biggest problems we have as a country, not just as individuals. William says "we all have mental health"...there. Normalising in 5 little words.

Caroline Ashcroft Moodscope Tue, Apr 18th 2017 @ 10:59am

Hi RATG, totally agree. Caroline

Sally Tue, Apr 18th 2017 @ 8:57am

Very interesting, Caroline. Thank you for sharing the link. Harry has gone up a thousandfold in my estimation because of his open honesty. And as a man, this will hopefully help and encourage, even allow , other males not to stick their heads in the sand so much. We must get rid of the stiff upper lip attitude. As he said in the piece, if you DON'T talk, it could kill you... too true. Sterling.

Caroline Ashcroft Moodscope Tue, Apr 18th 2017 @ 11:15am

He's definitely done wonders for the whole mental health issue and to be fair, William and Catherine are doing some great work also with their Heads Together campaign and Catherine's involvement in the Place2Be charity. Caroline

the room above the garage Tue, Apr 18th 2017 @ 9:15am

Couple of additional quickies...
My Moodscope email link wouldn't work today...maybe just my technology but thought I'd say in case it can be fixed at this end?

Caroline Ashcroft Moodscope Tue, Apr 18th 2017 @ 11:00am

Hi RATG, don't seem to be having any problems this end. Caroline

the room above the garage Tue, Apr 18th 2017 @ 9:18am

And the Twitter link I put up there...if anyone is using Twitter, and/or Moodscope still has a presence there, then using @headstogether or #oktosay or #headstogether within your tweet will link your point or this website into the discussion and publicity. It's important however small our flag may be.

Caroline Ashcroft Moodscope Tue, Apr 18th 2017 @ 11:16am

Thanks RATG. Caroline

Orangeblossom Tue, Apr 18th 2017 @ 10:07am

Just listened to the download podcast which is helpful. It certainly will raise the awareness of mental health & welbeing within the wider community.

David Tue, Apr 18th 2017 @ 11:27am

Caroline
Great post - Bryony's podcast with Prince Harry sounded many bells with me. I'm part of the typical older male in the UK, finding that expressing feelings is very hard, not something you do - ever. It was hard even with a professional and in the end (foolishly) I never did reach the end of counselling, it just sort of petered out. Sitting here today, rocking along pretty steadily in the low 30's in my Moodscope score, it's hard sometimes to remember when that score had dropped to almost zero and I tried to commit suicide. I really hope that raising awareness does work - these days I personally feel "better" most times but I think many people just like me let their mental (emotional) health get neglected, perhaps even looking at others and thinking how much more difficult their mental state is than their own and thinking that, "well I'm not too bad, so I will just carry on regardless". If the campaign makes everyone become more aware of mental health then it will be a huge benefit for the country and the World. I saw a quote today that resonated: 'Don't judge my choices without understanding my reasons'

Caroline Ashcroft Moodscope Tue, Apr 18th 2017 @ 9:40pm

I do think it will make many people more aware of mental health and in particular make some people feel it's OK to talk about. Caroline

The Gardener Tue, Apr 18th 2017 @ 11:29am

What an excellent and important blog, Caroline - I'm glad that yesterday I coincidentally chose Princes Harry and William as my 'heroes' although had not seen the interview. Even without the tragedy of Diana's death, they had already lived through their parents marital problems, also made very public. We had a grand-son staying for the week-end - family visits usually a 'high-spot', but despite this young man's best endeavors the week-end was pretty grim. We did lots, and Mr G blighted every engagement - even promising to be car-sick, alarming as I had a 3 hour round trip to take grand-son back to port. I also talked to our only niece. Watered garden of house for sale, and thought of ex-neighbours. She had custody of her son by first marriage, then 2 more children by second. For 'her' son, it was a disaster, he had counselling from 11 years old, eventually went back to father, more disruption. Our niece was the victim of the most acrimonious break-up by her parents - she survived but, herself making a disastrous marriage - her brother never coped, and has always been in sheltered accommodation, though clever. Our grand-son, and his sister, were also 'victims' of a tempestuous marriage which broke up quite quickly. He and his sister are doing well - and, which pleases me so much, are open and always have loads of friends. They had two solid (if dull) sets of grand-parents - (we are the surviving pair) and they spent a lot of happy times between the two sets. Harry and William did not even have that comfort - when the Queen of England is your 'Granny' it can't be easy, then Diana had a pretty ghastly step-mother, not much of a 'granny' figure there. All praise to them, and Kate, for coming out in the open in such a cause - that must have taken guts. another grand-son of ours played football with William at St Andrews

Caroline Ashcroft Moodscope Tue, Apr 18th 2017 @ 9:41pm

They are heroes, good choice. Pleased to hear you've had some help from you grandson. Caroline

The Gardener Tue, Apr 18th 2017 @ 11:34am

PS to someone above about 'stiff upper lip' (usually refers to the male). I have found it useful when really down - today I said 'I won't be beaten' tore into the house (Mr G at respite) and can go round purring at the results - but also received comforting smiles from all the people I've met.

Caroline Ashcroft Moodscope Tue, Apr 18th 2017 @ 9:42pm

Well done TG. Caroline

Molly Tue, Apr 18th 2017 @ 4:50pm

Perhaps naively, rightly or wrongly, I always felt that the boys would have been given the best counselling treatment on offer when their mum died. This is not to say that they wouldn't have been affected years later of course and probably forever, but I am also a bit sceptical when reading these stories from people in the public eye. I cannot help thinking he has been advised to do it for some good publicity and personally I do not feel that it is dealing with mental health issues when it is about bereavement, often being two separate things. Most people will relate to a boy losing his mum at 12, but not so many relate to the general mental illness of depression, anxiety, bipolar, etc, which cripples them, and affects their every day lives, to the point they would be unable to even do an interview about it. Apologies if I am being controversial again but I think the Royals have rather privileged lives, led for them, and paid for by us! I like Harry, down to earth and people can relate to him, but I doubt he woke up one day and decided to do this by himself ! At the least, he would have been advised, to say this, and say that etc !!

On a lighter note, thanks Caroline for Moodscope, I too recommend it to people as much as I can, I find it really helpful and interesting and supportive. M x

Caroline Ashcroft Moodscope Tue, Apr 18th 2017 @ 9:43pm

Thanks for recommending Moodscope Molly. I think you may be right about the interview being a little engineered, but hey, it's certainly raised awareness of mental health so I'm not sure it really matters! Caroline

Molly Wed, Apr 19th 2017 @ 12:02am

It has only raised awareness of people who have lost their love ones. If you don't fall into that category, then people will continue to fail to understand. As anyone will sympathise with a 12 year old losing their mother, especially when she was so famous. This does not raise awareness of mental health in it's entirety. It just makes people feel sorry for a boy who lost his mother xx

Caroline Ashcroft Moodscope Wed, Apr 19th 2017 @ 12:18am

I think it's made the point that if you don't address a problem early on it can manifest itself in many different ways. This could apply to many different situations, not just the loss of a loved one. Also, with William, Kate and Harry talking about it, it does raise the awareness of mental health issues and hopefully makes people feel more comfortable talking about it.

LP Wed, Apr 19th 2017 @ 12:35am

Hi Molly, I think that one point that Harry was trying to make was that mental heath issues are very broad and linked to so many other issues, so it doesnt matter who you are, sharing your experience can help. Like you, I also would have thought that the boys would have been given the best treatment to cope with their loss. Yes they are priviliged, but with that comes alot of judgement and responsibility. Some hugely famous people find it difficult to cope mentally with it and haven't survived. I think it is more powerful in fact to hear a royal saying we are all human and by talking we realise how much we have in common. LP

Molly Wed, Apr 19th 2017 @ 2:20am

I have read these comments carefully, and over and over to be honest. No way I am I wanting to doubt people's opinions on this. I just feel that Harry was forced to do this as his publicity team would have told him so. Anything that is made public by someone as well known as him would have had to have gone through many loops before he was even allowed to do it. My opinion for what it is worth, is that he was advised that this would be good publicity for him and for all of the thoughts and feelings he truly has, I expect he would keep to himself. It is obvious to me, that mental health has become the issue of the day and for people to jump on the bandwagon ! I agree that some famous people struggle with their fame but that has nothing to do with the struggle that every day people have, that is a struggle they have with fame. Totally different.

Eva Wed, Apr 19th 2017 @ 8:29am

Hi molly, I have / had depression, anxiety, compulsive disorders, ptsd and multiple bereavement, so I can tell you that they are intrinsically linked. My recent bereavement has thrown up all sorts of issues, not limited to anxiety and high stress over an extended period which have themselves resulted in a further depression cycle and chronic fatigue. Highlighting mental health in the public eye is to be applauded, no matter who, I certainly wouldn't knock anyone raising the profile of this much neglected area of health. Why is it important to you that he didn't decide to speak out about this on his own initiative, what has that got to do with it?

Molly Thu, Apr 20th 2017 @ 12:11am

Thank you for responding Eva. It is because I do not believe that he has depression or mental health issues. I totally understand that you have suffered, and I am truly sorry for that but anyone's experience of bereavement will be much harder to deal with than the average person if they were diagnosed as mentally ill beforehand. I have seen people deal with tragic things and they must go through hell but my point is that when you have depression etc that hell is ten times more because we are not equipped to deal with it, due to our mental health. Your last question - the answer is, because he didn't speak out for himself, he had people telling him to do so because he has advisors telling him what to do, and telling him the issue of the day, which is at the moment mental health, which is good, but don't be fooled by publicity - it is all manufactured - and people believe it - sorry sorry sorry - I don't wish to offend but this is how it is.

Eva Thu, Apr 20th 2017 @ 8:17am

Hi molly, I don't know that folks with depression will suffer more through bereavement than other people, I think it probably depends on the relationship and the people involved. My mother in law who has always been very mentally healthy is now suffering depression and anxiety post bereavement, which kind of disproves your theory to me. My husband believes that PH was probably discouraged from speaking out, so there are many views out there... I don't feel fooled by the way, it doesn't matter to me if it's manufactured or genuine, what matters to me is getting a higher profile for these illnesses and encouraging people to seek help rather than suffer alone.

Jul Thu, Apr 20th 2017 @ 8:38am

Hello Molly. I have come to recent blogs late but have read the comments and wanted to say how much I agree with your comments today. I have had no energy lately and even though we have been away on an extended holiday, I feel tired. However I can also see Eva's point as she writes from experience as many others do too. My immediate thought though corresponded with yours. My OH has no time for Royals and thank goodness he wasn't here when Harry made his podcast. I sort of agree with him but also quite "like" Harry and William and of course it's blatantly obvious that the way the death of their mother was handled by the Royal machine at the time was appalling and I think that's what caused Harry's grief to be bottled up. The Royals would not allow him to grieve as a normal 12 year old should. As far as I can see,none of this was mentioned of course in the aftermath of Harry's interview. For me, I am prone to depression and therefore it affects the way I deal with everything. It's all encompassing and I am sure that if I didn't have depression or insomnia, whatever, I would look at life events differently. Thnak you Molly for your brave comments and for standing up for what you believe and feel. Speak soon. Julxx

Molly Thu, Apr 20th 2017 @ 11:45pm

Thank you Jul xx I appreciate your reply alot. I also like Harry and William and I was not in any way belittling what they went through, but you hit the nail on the head really, if one suffers with depression, life is much harder. I dread losing people close to me, because I won't deal with it as well as the person that I would have been, if I did not have mental illness. I am much stronger than what this illness has made me. That is why I feel so strongly about getting that point across. People can relate to a prince who lost his mother and people will take notice of that but it does not, in my opinion, deal with mental illness in its own right. I promised myself I would not have another rant about it, but there you have it :-) Time to shut up. I do appreciate you fighting my corner xx

Molly Thu, Apr 20th 2017 @ 11:49pm

Eva, a person who suffers with clinical depression, will find things ten times harder than a person who doesn't. Sure, events can cause depression, but that is a different type. Depression can be circumstantial or clinical. There is a big difference between the two xx

Eva Fri, Apr 21st 2017 @ 6:59am

I am well aware of that, my feeling is that one person's experience can not speak for all, generally from my experience these things can be better served judging on a case by case basis, everyone is different and as such their particular experience will be unique.

Molly Sat, Apr 22nd 2017 @ 4:06pm

Very true Eva

LP Wed, Apr 19th 2017 @ 12:39am

Hi Caroline,
I thought it was great. Prince Harry was so open and enthusiastic, he's great to listen to. Alot of good points were made and I thought it was inspriring!

Thank you! LP xx

Jane SG Fri, Apr 21st 2017 @ 7:40pm

Hi Caroline, I've only just read this and the comments due to being in a bit of pain the last few days. I would feel uncomfortable judging anyone I have never met. No one can possibly know what it is like to be another person and know how they feel and what they have been through. I do feel a bit sad when I feel that someone's good intentions can be turned into a negative. I feel uncomfortable even voicing this but just felt I had to.

Molly Sat, Apr 22nd 2017 @ 4:12pm

I wasn't judging Harry as a person, I think he is lovely and good for him for speaking out. I would imagine he went through hell losing his mother and it all being in the public eye. I was just making some general points on the whole understanding of mental health and maybe I have been misunderstood in what I was trying to say xx

Lisa Thu, Apr 27th 2017 @ 11:59am

I too am also coming to this post a bit late but I am keen to know, yes it's all very good mental health is being talked about by such a high profile and is breaking down the stigma what have you BUT What is going to change in terms of help and support out there??? I do hope all the money that has been raised is going to do something practical for people not just go on awareness campaigns!! Geez I think we're all aware of mental health by now!! At least we should be as everyone seems to be suffering from something! I don't know if it is also making it look less acute for those in crisis. I hope not! It has helped me to not feel like I'm mad. That maybe it's okay to tell other people and not be ashamed. But again it is a serious problem for me and many others in terms I don't actually have a life - I just survive!!! So true at the moment as just a little thing my partner of 11 years left me as he couldn't "deal" with me anymore. But he was all I had. No friends, family nearby. No work. I am completely alone! I'm so scared I went to the doctor who for once took me seriously and instead of just offering medication referred me to the mental health team! Well I felt great reassured someone would be with me soon, I thought taken my history it would be immediate 4 days later I am still waiting to hear. This has even made me more anxious if that's possible! I couldn't wait any longer so rang them direct and guess what no one could speak to me I just had to leave a message! This is disgusting service for people who are in such acute crisis as myself who no longer want to carry on with their life are left alone with no one to turn to. So deeply and acutely worrying and wrong very wrong! I know mental health is has been cut the services aren't available etc I keep hearing but how is that going to help me!? It just makes me more vulnerable and depressed. So I wish Harry or whoever would read this and do something with all their millions to get support to people who need it asap!! But it doesn't seem money even makes sense anymore the government has more than ever but it doesn't seem to make a difference on help we're just told time and again there isn't the help out there. It shouldn't have to take someone to take their own life for it to be recognised they had a problem. I'm crying out for help and no one is listening or cares. If they don't call soon the mental health team that is I will be taking myself off to A&E and waisting more of their precious resources! It makes me so mad! I was given false hope and how long do I have to wait?? I've had anxiety and depression all my life I'm 33 now do I just carry on living this hell for the rest of my life. What's the point!

Caroline Ashcroft Moodscope Thu, Apr 27th 2017 @ 11:34pm

Hi Lisa, you make a very good point. I think Harry and the Royals are raising awareness which is good, but if there's no support NOW for peple, what is anyone supposed to do.

This is exactly why Jon Cousins started Moodscope. He went to see the doctor who assessed him whilst he was feeling suicidal and he said he definitely needed to be referred for some help. He told him that this help would be available in around 3 months time because of waiting lists! You can imagine how he felt. The doctor also said, in the meantime, can you monitor your mood - without giving him any way of doing this. Jon then developed Moodscope so that he had something to take in to show how he had been over the three months, when he eventually got some help!

Having said that, monitoring his mood and sharing it with his friends actually helped Jon to stabilise enough to not have to rely on the doctors and therapists.

I think you should take yourself off to A&E if you really feel bad. It's not wasting their resources - someone with a broken leg wouldn't think twice about going there. It sounds like you need some help, please go and get it if the doctors can't or won't listen to you.

Carolinex

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