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Cherokee wisdom. Saturday September 28, 2013

A Cherokee legend found by Adrian:

One evening, an old Cherokee told his grandson about a battle that goes on inside people.

He said, "My son, there is a battle between two wolves inside us all. One is evil, it is anger, envy, jealousy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority and ego.

The other is good. It is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion and faith."

His grandson thought about it for a minute and then he asked his grandfather, "Which wolf wins ?"

The old Cherokee simply replies, "The one you feed."

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http://moodscope.blogspot.com/2013/09/cherokee-wisdom.html


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PWD Sat, Sep 28th 2013 @ 6:26am

Wise words I like it a lot ,I need to put the first Wolf on a diet.

Pa

Julia Sat, Sep 28th 2013 @ 7:27am

I like it!

Anonymous Sat, Sep 28th 2013 @ 8:16am

Very wise words indeed....

Anonymous Sat, Sep 28th 2013 @ 8:56am

Adrian, you have found a jewel. By sharing it with us, the Cherokee legend lives. Om.

Anonymous Sat, Sep 28th 2013 @ 9:00am

Ok, I'm not going to rant about cultural appropriation and colonialism here, because, that said, the concept is a reasonably useful one - don't feed the bad stuff.

But I am going to be annoying here (I can't help it) and point you to this. Sorry but this isn't 'native' wisdom, and continuing to claim it is is quite damaging. http://apihtawikosisan.com/2012/02/21/check-the-tag-on-that-indian-story/

Fionna O'Leary Sat, Sep 28th 2013 @ 9:01am

This is an interesting one. We instinctively lean toward the 'good' wolf and draw away from the 'evil' one...yet the characteristics of the 'evil' wolf continues to roar and scrap within us all still....at least mine does!

I am wondering what is the function of the 'evil' wolf really? I'm not saying I have the answers but ....Maybe it too needs some kindly and reassuring attention? Maybe it behaves this way out of fear and need and is not 'evil' at all?

I got to wonder whether regarding it as evil may not be that helpful, when all it is trying to do is scrape out a living for you and fill empty space...however unwisely, when it perceives danger? There has to be active efforts to nourish alternative growth that renders its offerings unnecessary.

I remember many years ago my then CBT therapist responding to me, when I complained that I seemed to be working very hard but it still felt like I was planting cut flowers in a rocky, weed ridden ground, by saying it was more about choosing what I watered. That really struck home particularly as I realised that it required patience and persistence to prepare the ground before good things can root and flourish.

But the thorns still grew and still flourished..albeit alongside some more appealing stuff which gradually take up more space.

Is it enough simply not to feed it or does that 'evil' wolf still fight back?

Also, If it isn't stretching the analogy too far....even wild flowers can be beautiful and produce excellent honey.

I saw a UTube video on an experiment in happiness and it was interesting and very revealing about feeding gratitude.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oHv6vTKD6lg

One of the people mentioned someone being there for her dispute her mistakes....
It seemed that there was a kindly warmth extended towards those mistakes...rather than casting them aside as evil, almost certainly because that is how her sister responded.

I probably could put this more elegantly, but I hope someone gets my drift!

Julia Sat, Sep 28th 2013 @ 10:00am

Hi there
I have read the website you give us the link to. I understand where it and you are coming from. Personally though I prefer to read and take something from (words of wisdom) a maybe false Native American saying than a Christian one. No religion involved! No urging to find solace in God or any other religious leader. To me this saying in today's blog is secular which makes it much more universally appealing. But I do get the point you are making and it's a fair one. I hate patronising other cultures and always think our culture needs a good dose of patronising from other cultures

Anonymous Sat, Sep 28th 2013 @ 12:07pm

I get it and I agree. I think it's unhelpful to polarise our feelings in this way. Both sides are part of us, and I think it's more about recognising the "evil" (not a helpful concept for people grappling with emotional or mental health issues), understanding when and why it comes to the fore, and integrating it into the whole. I know that my more uncomfortable feelings and reactions have a lot to do with fear of one thing or another.

Neil Sat, Sep 28th 2013 @ 1:22pm

This was very "good"

Bob Krider Sat, Sep 28th 2013 @ 5:03pm

I use this story almost weekly when we have a group about anger. The flaw from my perspective is that it labels anger as bad. Anger in my view is neither good nor bad - if you feel something is wrong - be upset, take action, do something - but do something constructive and with compassion.

Anonymous Sat, Sep 28th 2013 @ 9:52pm

I think the "Cherokee" story is on a par with "men are from Mars and Women are from Venus" It polarises us; it hints that we are separate and that we are not connected.

How many times have we heard folk saying "oh how girly" or "huh, typical boys"

This stuff about polarity is the stuff that keep sus disconnected.

People are people. And we are wonderful in our glorious people-ness!

Connection is all.

We are people through and through. We behave like people. People have feelings too; they are our feelings.

Anonymous Sun, Sep 29th 2013 @ 2:10am

I used to look forward to these daily emails. What happened to the quality? The earlier emails were thoughtful, insightful, realistic, and motivational. Lately it feels like I am opening a bad fortune cookie.

SANDRO RICARDO DA CUNHA MORAES Sun, Sep 29th 2013 @ 3:12am

Nós somos produtos de nossos pensamentos...

Anonymous Sun, Sep 29th 2013 @ 2:36pm

I get your drift totally. Yes embracing the so called negative aspects is best, and as e we become aware that we are operating out of ''ego mind'' it takes away the power of the ego mind. Time and again as we stop and recognize ''this is my ego speaking-or I am focusing on past/future" that simple action of awareness, as time goes on takes away the power more and more. WE are no longer swindled into believing ''this is just how I feel" or ''this is just how I am'', we know we have an ego mind-and as time goes on it becomes less powerful just by simple awareness-no counselling necessary!

Anonymous Sun, Sep 29th 2013 @ 2:37pm

If you feel this way, please let the people know, the members and posters, exactly what is bothering you about the particular post, and suggest what you would like to see instead. I feel this way too about certain posts.

Anonymous Mon, Sep 30th 2013 @ 3:02am

While I agree that we can often choose and have a great deal of influence over how we feel and act, I think Adrian should have done a quick internet search of this story before sharing their findings as a "Cherokee legend."

I know some people find it trivial, but cultural appropriation has a huge negative effect, in both obvious and subtle ways.

That said, I still find many of the posts here helpful and insightful.

Anonymous Mon, Sep 30th 2013 @ 8:40am

Anonymous at 2am: I think your comment is very harsh. I really liked today's post and think its a very useful idea. Of course you're not going to like or appreciate every post, that is impossible, but ones that you don't like will probably be of help or interest to others. Do you need to be so critical and harsh to people who are givng their time and effort for free in order to try and help others? My guess is that you are equally harsh and critical with yourself, and that's sad and I hope you can find compassion and kindness - for yourself and others.

Julia Mon, Sep 30th 2013 @ 1:40pm

Why don't you write a blog, which is thoughtful,insightful, realistic and motivational. Anon at 2.10am I am sure Caroline and her team would welcome the chance to consider a blog from you. But you must be prepared to receive negative comments if someone does not like your blog. As Anon at 8.40 am said, some blogs appeal to some and not others. You never know you might hit just the right note but you'll never know till you try!! Go on, give it a go.

Anonymous Tue, Oct 1st 2013 @ 5:28am

If you think that was harsh you need thicker skin. Look back eight months, pick a week and compare it to this previous week. The differences are obvious.

Anonymous Tue, Oct 1st 2013 @ 5:49am

I don't write a blog because I was paying for this one. "Was" being the key word there. The "found by..." is a big indicator of quality issues. Anyone can search the internet then cut and paste. Original content added to age-old wisdom would demonstrate a commitment to creating value, which, by the way, is how an organization turns a profit, stays in business, and keeps worthwhile employees. Who did Caroline lose that used to contribute to the blog? Why did she lose that person?

Julia - why don't you write a question and end it with the correct punctuation?

Caroline Ashcroft Tue, Oct 1st 2013 @ 9:23am

Hi Anonymous, I'm sorry the Moodscope blogs aren't to your liking, I personally think they are great, each one giving a little bit of advice or sharing an experience to try and help others. Jon's blogs were, as we all know, excellent - we were lucky to have him write a blog every day for all those years. I don't really know what you are trying to insinuate when you say 'why did I lose that person'.

I have to say, I get a great deal of feedback from our Moodscope members and most people are very happy and appreciate the daily blogs.

If you'd like to follow Jon instead of Moodscope, here's a link to his website: joncousins.com


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